Smoking Outside: CA State Parks
Siegel is speaking out against the movement he helped create.
August 17, 2014
By Dick Puddlecote
There has never been – nor will there ever be – a scientific study which says passive smoking outdoors is dangerous to passers-by. It doesn’t stop one town from proposing a criminal record for smoking outdoors though, complete with a possible jail sentence.
Where is this place, you ask? Why, in California, of course.
NEVADA CITY (CBS13) — Nevada City is considering strengthening its smoking ordinance in its historic district to possibly make the offense a misdemeanor in addition to the hefty fine.
UPDATE: Maybe that’s a bit harsh on California. Check out what’s happening in Arlington, Washington.
The proposed ordinance is modeled after a regulation in Marysville, though Arlington’s has been expanded to include trails as well as parks, and electronic cigarettes as well as tobacco products.
People caught smoking or chewing tobacco in a park or on a trail could be fined up to $1,000 or get a maximum of 90 days in jail, according to the proposed ordinance.
Yes. Jail for using an e-cig in a park! These people are insane.
Gov. Vetoes Smoking Ban For Parks
Governor Vetoes Smoking Ban In State Parks
May 3, 2010
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Cigar-smoking Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed legislation Monday that would have banned smoking at all California state parks and beaches, saying the bill crossed the line of government intrusion.
In a letter to California senators, the governor said state parks and local governments were already permitted to ban smoking on a case-by-case basis.
“There is something inherently uncomfortable about the idea of the state encroaching in such a broad manner on the people of California,” Schwarzenegger wrote to lawmakers.
Many of those legislators have previously been invited into his smoking tent at the Capitol.
The author of the bill, state Sen. Jenny Oropeza, D-Long Beach, had argued her bill would help reduce litter along with the threat of wildfires and second-hand smoke. She crafted the legislation so smokers would be allowed to light up in parking lots and at campsites in parks.
“I’m sorry the governor did not agree with this widely supported effort to increase public awareness about the environmental threats carelessly tossed cigarettes are doing to our marine life and to the great outdoors,” Oropeza said in a statement.
Hundreds of communities nationwide have enacted smoking bans at municipal parks and beaches. Maine is the only state to ban smoking at its state beaches. But anti-smoking groups say no state has banned smoking throughout its entire park system.
The bill was supported by environmental groups that organize beach cleanup days throughout the U.S., where cigarettes are the No. 1 item collected by volunteers.
Schwarzenegger told lawmakers the best way to discourage people from leaving cigarette butts at beaches and parks is to increase fines and penalties.
At least one tobacco company, Commonwealth Brands, had publicly opposed the ban, arguing it would infringe on smokers’ rights.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/23439398/detail.html
SB 4? – A bad idea
April 20, 2009
since at least the state park in my area – the place where gold was discovered and one of the busiest parks in the state – is having a problems getting enough volunteers, the state would have to replace me with paid staff. I am assuming this would be the case in other parks around the state.
Sincerely,
Robert Deitz, II
TO:? Senator.Pavley@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Simitian@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Kehoe@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Leno@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Wiggins@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Padilla@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Wolk@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Benoit@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Hollingsworth@senate.ca.gov; Senator.Huff@senate.ca.gov; governor@governor.ca.gov
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California Tobacco Control Program Wants More Money
But Can Higher Taxes Really Eliminate Smoking Within 5 Years?
September 2, 2008
By John R. Graham
I have spent (undoubtedly too much) time today struggling with a new article from the tobacconistas at the University of California, San Francisco’s Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education, a group of scholars funded by tobacco taxes, which publishes research calling for more…..(you guessed it)…..tobacco taxes.
But not only more taxes: “The California Tobacco Control Program…has adopted a comprehensive approach designed to change social norms rather than a frontal attack designed to market cessation services directly to tobacco users.? According to key planning documents for the program, this ‘social norm change’ approach seeks ‘to indirectly influence current and potential future tobacco users by creating a social milieu and legal climate in which tobacco becomes less desirable, less acceptable, and less accessible.'”
Or, in other words: the state taking smokers’ money to fund university professors who have the state’s sanction to bully law-abiding smokers.
Trouble is: how do you measure the results?? I previously tangled with these folks’ research in 2006, when I opposed an increase to the California tobacco tax, and discussed all the costs of an expanded anti-tobacco nanny-state.?? Well, the UCSF scholars have now designed an esoteric econometric model to capture the effects of the California Tobacco Control Program, established in 1989.
I have always been discontented with social scientists’ “physics envy”: ramming imprecise social data through highly complex functions.? For example, how does anyone really know how much people smoke, especially when high tobacco taxes drive much of the trade underground?? How can you really allocate precise health care costs to smoking, given all the other sins we bring on ourselves?
And what if “some types of expenditures in any given year are unlikely to change cigarette consumption immediately but will affect it over a longer period,…..because successful cessation is a process that usually takes many years and multiple quit attempts,’ as the article states? Won’t the model run away from reality pretty quickly, no matter how well the social scientists try to specify it?
Not according to the UCSF scholars: The article concludes that for a minor investment of $1.8 billion (in constant 2004 dollars) in the California Tobacco Control Program between the fiscal year 1989-90 and FY 2003-04, $86 billion of personal health spending was saved.
But the model doesn’t quite work right.? It estimates that one pack of cigarettes contributes to an annual health cost of $27, whereas the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention estimates less than $7 per pack (as cited in the article).
As well as this extraordinarily high estimate, the estimate of overall savings has a very wide range: $28 billion to $151 billion (95% confidence interval).? Plus, this is the total over a decade and a half.? The mid-point estimate of the final year’s savings was $6.3 billion (7.3% of the total), which is less than 4% of California’s 2004 health spending of $166 billion.
That’s nothing to sneeze at, I suppose, but is it really enough to take the risk of inviting even more government control over our “social norms”?? Certainly, according one of the scholars:? If spending on tobacco control were hiked up to the level he prefers, California could “virtually eliminate smoking within 5 years”.
Like we’ve eliminated crack cocaine, car theft, and armed robbery, I suppose.? If only government cures were as effective as they say.
http://blog.spn.org/id.2456/detail.asp
By Suzanne Bohan, MEDIANEWS
Lead Story in Bay Area Sunday Newspapers Features Anti-Smoking Movement’s Push for Outdoor Smoking Bans and Questions the Science Behind Them
1/15/07
By Michael Siegel
Anti-Smoking Advocates’ Arguments Deteriorate After Lack of Health Basis for Broad Outdoor Smoking Bans is Exposed
1/17/07
By Michael Siegel
Bangor Car Smoking Ban Proponents Tout New Law As Placing Health of Kids Above Bad Habits of their Parents and Concerns for Civil Liberties
1/19/07
By Michael Siegel
Some Scientists Question Risk Level
JAMA. 2006;296:922-923.
Tobacco control resources cause debate in health care community
Jan. 11, 2007
