Property Rights: SC State Update Page 2
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Lancaster County plans for smoking ban possibility
By Jenny Overman
INDIAN LAND — Indian Land’s representative on the Lancaster County Council, Larry McCullough, along with several other council members, has been selected for a committee that will examine the possibility of a smoking ban for county businesses.
Right now, McCullough said, he doesn’t have an opinion on whether or not Lancaster County should institute a smoking ban. The committee is just gathering information about neighboring policies.
McMaster opposes Rex’s cigarettes plan
By JOHN O’CONNOR
Judge: Local courts to consider smoking violations break law
By MEG KINNARD, Associated Press
Smoking ban has become about property rights
smoke if they so choose. There are plenty of places in town that have made their own choice to be smoke-free.
Sumter
Easley joins Greenville in restricting smoking
Law now effective at city events
November 11, 2008
South Carolina Elections
– Lets Get Rid of the Nannies –
10/22/08
The South Carolina Legislature, The Senate and The House, currently has a shaky membership – straddling the sway line between respect for individual liberties and inclination against such freedoms, particularly against the freedom of tobacco use that ranges from disrespect to sheer hatred. For most of the two year cycle between elections, the best we can do is call or write them and hope they listen.
We are, however, at the golden time of this two year cycle where we can identify those who hate us and either run against them for office or vote against them, both in the Primaries and the General Election. (In fact, in this year of a four year cycle, both the entire House and Senate are up for re-election.) This page will help us do so.
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Easley, SC – Last Warning on Ban Threat
If any of you readers living in the city of Easley are at all interested in protecting your freedoms, this is your last chance to take action – you have less than one month to stop Easley from becoming another poster child for the nanny state and faithful supporter of ridiculous junk science.
With only one day’s warning by the Greenville Nanny, The city of Easley held the first reading of their proposed smoking ban on Monday October 13th (the Greenville News published a story on October 12th). The ban, as published on the City of Easley website, passed by a narrow 4-3 vote (an exemption to pool halls dead-locked; what that means, I don’t know). The Greenville Nanny published this result in a small blurb in Tuesday’s paper, NOT telling who voted for or against (typical).
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York County, SC – Ban Threat!
This ban mirrors the draconian ban implemented in the City of Greenville – which bans smoking almost anywhere indoors, including bars and restaurants, and, presumably, far from doorways – which would make many bar and restaurant patios banned as well.
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Smoke DamageBy the Southern Avenger
The invisible damage done – to both property and principle
– by Charleston, South Carolina’s smoking ban.
S.C. ends funding for anti-smoking
The state had spent $2 million on prevention and cessation programs.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/breaking/story/161632.html
Alert – Ban being considered in City of Easley, SC
The pro-life fanatics who drive smoking bans
Aborting Freedom of Choice
APRIL 23, 2008
By Jack Hunter
As with my column two weeks ago on the wisdom of smoking bans, my suggestion that private property rights and freedom of choice should be respected elicits a visceral reaction from hard-core smoking-ban proponents who believe no issue takes precedent over the public’s “right” to breathe clean air. Like die-hard pro-lifers — the kind who stand on street corners with signs featuring aborted fetuses — there’s no talking to these people as they can’t even concede that there’s room for debate. They have their facts, and they’re sticking to them.
And what are those facts? Basically, that secondhand smoke kills people, as evidenced by former Surgeon General Richard Carmona’s 2006 report. From a common-sense perspective, Carmona’s contention that exposure to secondhand smoke is as dangerous as directly inhaling 20 cigarettes a day doesn’t really make sense, and yet he felt his evidence was conclusive enough to declare that the “debate is over” on the issue.
Likewise, common sense supporters of abortion rights have a hard time wrapping their heads around the notion that a woman pregnant for just a few weeks is carrying an actual human being. But for pro-lifers, there is no debate, and some even have the science to prove it. Writes scientist John F. Cogan, “I have always been pro-life as a matter of intuition. However, as I gradually built up the scientific data, its cumulative impact reinforced my gut feeling that the unborn child really is a human being from the moment of its conception.” Cogan’s website is dedicated to pro-life-oriented science and has been endorsed by multiple doctors and fellow scientists.
Pro-choice progressives, many of whom are nearly hysterical in their support for smoking bans, wouldn’t even give a pro-lifer like Cogan the time of day — science or no science — and yet they accuse those opposed to smoking bans of being hopelessly backward for ignoring scientific “facts.” If Cogan were appointed U.S. Surgeon General and declared that all abortion was murder — would the debate be over, as many insist it is with secondhand smoke? Is it worth considering that even science can be politically driven?
Smoking ban proponents have used their favorite scientific facts to run roughshod over freedom of choice in the name of protecting the public at large. If science determined that life begins at conception (as scientists like Cogan already claim), then should a woman’s right to choose end? And if not, by what moral rationale is it OK to be “pro-choice” on abortion, but not smoking?
Conservative philosopher Russell Kirk believed that the definition of a fanatic is someone who seizes upon a slice of truth, or at least perceived truth, and harps on it incessantly. Such people aren’t necessarily wrong, but they become so obsessed with one aspect of an argument that they can’t see anything else.
Being exposed to secondhand smoke is undeniably unhealthy, but to say that what is likely a minor or even negligible health risk should take total precedent over something as serious as property rights or any other consideration is an inherently fanatical view. Saying that property rights simply don’t matter is the same as saying the right of a woman to control her own body doesn’t matter.
I know many people who like the smoking ban personally, but disagree with it politically. And I know folks who state bluntly “I don’t like being around smoke and am glad there’s a ban.” Fine. At least they’re honest. But the fanatics, who suffer from the illusion that they are doing the general public an invaluable service by protecting them from secondhand smoke, tend to be insistent to the point of insanity, coming off as benevolent buffoons, impervious to any and all reason.
On issues like abortion and secondhand smoke, I believe there are valid points to be made by both sides of each argument. But the importance of being pro-life, whether that means protecting unborn children or non-smokers, does not automatically discount the importance of being pro-choice, whether that means protecting personal privacy or property. The most significant difference between banning smoking and banning abortion is that banning smoking is more popular and politically-correct.
The quality of both life and liberty has always been indispensable to the health of our republic, and both suffer when fanatics of any stripe are given carte blanche to do their damage. That certain bad policies remain popular is no justification. And that a certain brand of fanaticism is more fashionable should never make it more acceptable.
The invisible damage done by Charleston’s smoking ban
Bad Habits
By Jack Hunter
The first time I heard about the proposed smoking ban in Charleston I was working on a construction site in Goose Creek alongside a block mason, whose continuous brick cutting filled the air, my nostrils, and my lungs with a thick cloud of concrete dust. I fetched a mask, which helped a little, as I continued to listen to the man on the radio insist that an indoor smoking ban was necessary to protect workers and customers. It wasn’t a pleasant job, and it probably wasn’t healthy, but I agreed to do the job at hand, hazards and all.
Kevin Young has been a bartender at A.C.’s Bar & Grill on King Street for over a decade. He is a non-smoker who has worked in a smoking environment for most of his adult life, until now. Since the smoking ban went into effect, Young has consistently worked eight hours longer than he used to each week and earns roughly $200 dollars less each week. Visiting my friend Kevin at work in the early evening is much easier these days, because the ban has literally cut his bread-and-butter happy-hour shift in half. He says, “Bring back the smokers.”
His boss agrees. Says A.C.’s owner Jim Curley, “Profits in 2007 were down 80 percent compared to 2006, and that’s with the smoking ban being in effect for only half a year.” Jim admits there are other factors for the loss, but the smoking ban is unquestionably the “primary factor.”
That customers or employees might be exposed to secondhand smoke as a result of their personal decision to patronize or work at a place where smoking is allowed should seem like a trivial consideration when compared to the much more serious financial risk — and loss — suffered by bartenders and bar owners. After all, Jim’s family depends on the success of his bar, and Kevin’s livelihood depends on the success of A.C.’s. By what rationale should the government (particularly local officials who would probably never frequent places like A.C.’s anyway) have the right to harm the way these men earn a living by restricting the use of a legal product?
The only difference between my experience with concrete dust on a construction site and secondhand smoke in bars and restaurants is that most people don’t frequent construction sites. Most people go to bars and restaurants, and they hate smoke — on their clothes, in their hair, or in their personal space. The Charleston smoking ban, and indeed all smoking bans, are first and foremost a reflection of popular prejudice, even though there’s a lot of chatter about the harmful effects of secondhand smoke. Frankly speaking, more than a few experts agree that former Surgeon General Richard Carmona’s contention that exposure to secondhand smoke is as damaging as inhaling a pack-a-day ranks right up there with President Bush’s assertion that Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
The latest decision by the state Supreme Court to uphold local smoking bans does not end debate on the real issue at hand — the power and scope of government. Having a “smoke-free Lowcountry” certainly doesn’t come free for everyone, as some employees and business owners continue to pay the price in lost wages and lost profits simply to satisfy the prejudice of the non-smoking majority.
While I do enjoy cigars, I can’t stand being around ashtrays while I’m eating and quickly become aggravated by friends who smoke, but I would never think of using the power of government to pacify my anti-smoking prejudices — damaging individual liberty, property rights, and livelihoods in the process — just so that I might be a bit more comfortable.
As I write this commentary, I’ve actually been sitting in A.C.’s, simultaneously gabbing with Kevin behind the bar who has had only one other customer for the last hour — and that customer just went outside to smoke. It wouldn’t have bothered Kevin or me in the least if he had remained in the bar to enjoy his cigarette, but the government has already made that decision for us. As a grown man, it’s a bit offensive. As an American, it’s a little disheartening. And as a citizen, it’s ridiculous.
There was a time in this country when most Americans would have agreed, even those who hated smoking, believing that government should have reasonable limits. But in an increasingly unreasonable world, such arbitrary power promises to become increasingly limitless, undermining and overtaking even the most basic American notions of property and principle.
In the end, it seems America’s worst habit has become the mass acceptance of bad government in the name of good intentions — the proverbial path to hell.
By Prentiss Findlay, Schuyler Kropf, The Post and Courier
April 1, 2008
Cities and towns can ban indoor smoking in public places, the state Supreme Court ruled Monday in a decision cheered by Charleston, Sullivan’s Island and Mount Pleasant officials.
By Tim Smith • CAPITAL BUREAU • April 1, 2008
COLUMBIA — The state Supreme Court on Monday upheld Greenville’s smoking ban in bars and restaurants, reversing a judge’s order and offering encouragement to other local governments that passed similar ordinances.
Another Example from South Carolina of How you should NOT Sue over Smoking Bans!
April 1, 2008
by Marc S. Moisa
(A) Sections 16-17-500, 16-17-502, and 16-17-503 must be implemented in
an equitable and uniform manner throughout the State and enforced to
ensure the eligibility for and receipt of federal funds or grants the
State receives or may receive relating to the sections. Any laws,
ordinances, or rules enacted pertaining to tobacco products may not
supersede state law or regulation. Nothing herein shall affect the right
of any person having ownership or otherwise controlling private property
to allow or prohibit the use of tobacco products on such property.
(B) Smoking ordinances in effect before the effective date of this act
are exempt from the requirements of subsection (A).
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The SC Supreme Court of Retards
or
Another example of how NOT to sue
April 1, 2008
Just when you think the actions of a court of law couldn’t possibly make you any more angry or nauseated, along comes the retarded fools of South Carolina’s Supreme Court. I swear to all that might be holy, they are either patently stupid or bought and paid for. I, of course, refer to their recent ruling that it’s okay for local governments to supersede state law on smoking laws.
Greenville News – Greenville,SC,USA
Circuit Court Judge John Few last year struck down Greenville’s smoking ban after ruling that the Legislature had not given local government the ability to …
Update on Statewide action
March 25, 2008
South Carolinians might be saved for one more year against statewide nanny control on private property. Want to stop it from happening next year and in the future?
Go to http://www.smokerpower.info/SC-Primaries2008.html and see who is an anti and vote or run against them.
This issue will NOT go away until those in office who refuse to mind their own businesses are ousted from office! Filing for office ends This Sunday.
Statewide smoking ban stalls, heads back to subcommittee
By Tim Smith • STAFF WRITER • March 25, 2008
No Decision In Columbia On A Possible Statewide Smoking Ban
Katie Crawford, Live 5 News
While the State Supreme Court decides where it stands on local smoking bans, the State House Judiciary Committee met today in Columbia to take up the issue. They voted to send the amendment that would create a statewide smoking ban back to a sub-committee for further review. There’s no word on when any changes could actually take place.
By Yvonne Wenger, The Post and Courier
January 15, 2008
Also reject effort to eliminate local smoking restrictions
By Robert Kittle
House Judiciary Committee To Consider Eliminating Smoke-Free Ordinances
From Live 5 News
“The South Carolina Supreme court is to hear the first case of many challenging local and county smoking bans on January 9th. The challenge is preemption of such bans by state law. I expect the Supreme court to rule in favor of the businesses, as the language in state law is quite clear.
High court to hear smoking ban case
January 4, 2008
Legality Of Smoking Bans Are In Question
Nicole Johnson, Live 5 News
A state Supreme Court decision to be made this week could snub out smoking bans in effect across the state. The bans could be lifted, depending on the outcome of a case from Greenville.
At Mellow Mushroom the owners are trying to attract smoking customers by opening a rooftop patio. Even though the smoking ban hasn’t cut into a piece of their pie, they still believe businesses should have the right to choose.
“They need to have freedom to attract those customers,” said Jonah Jeter.
Some believe city governments took away people’s freedom with the indoor smoking ban, but a circuit court judge in Greenville has ruled the bans by local governments are a violation of state law, now a case that will go all the way to the State Supreme court.
“If the Supreme Court rules that Judge Few in Greenville is correct in his ruling, then we think that the ordinances would be struck down and that the ban would essentially be lifted,” said attorney Paul Dominick.
The Supreme Court hearing only deals with the Greenville case, but it could affect bars and restaurants right here in Charleston, depending on if the justices decide the bans are constitutional.
Dominick is working to get these bans lifted. He says it all depends on how the courts interpret a state law known as the Clean Indoor Air Act.
“If you construe those statues correctly that the state has decided that they’re going to make decisions on smoking, and that the state legislature has said local municipalities cannot pass these ordinances,” said Dominick.
Even with the local bans, businesses say sales are good, but giving people the freedom to choose is a persons’ right.
“It’s private property, it shouldn’t be dictated by the lawmakers what you do inside your own place. It’s over extending their rights,” said Jonah Jeter.
Rights that the Supreme Court will decide, whether smoking bans break the law or not.
The smoking ban case is set to be in Supreme Court on Wednesday. The outcome could affect whether a similar lawsuit from Sullivan’s Island will also go to court.
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